Hi,
Thanks everyone for answering to my question below. It was good to
see that how some people can be so helpful and others so arrogant
while answering your questions. I am involved in web application
testing for some time now and know very well how to do my job, but
scoping and calculating efforts for a pentest is something which I
have not done yet and asked this question out of interest hoping to
learn something new from the community.
The person answering my query below have done a very good comparison
of my question with the medical practise. But forgot to consider the
fact that a doctor can be new to his field or a medical examiner can
also be new at doing something which he may not have done in the past
and thus may in an effort to do his job properly seek help from his
peers or from the community thinking that there may be enough experts
in the field who may have experienced the same situation in the past.
Would that mean that the doctor or the examiner is bad or his
practise is crap???
PS: I hope the moderator of this list would let this message pass so
that others could see this, but would also like to know how the
moderator could let the reply below pass to the list as this does not
seem a very promising situation and may be very demoralizing for some
of users of the list?
Regards
Vishal
At 08:36 09/12/2007 -0500, Clement Dupuis wrote:
Hum..... It amazes me that one would offer a service call ETHICAL hacking
and ask such a question as the one posted. Unfortunately it seems to happen
too many times and all the times. If we wish to be recognize as
professional one day this has to change for sure. Let me twist the original
posting a bit and pretend you're doing your annual medical exam and your
doctor would post the following on a medical mailing list that you subscribe
to:
============== Beginning of twisted message =================
From: listbounce@securityfocus.com [mailto:listbounce@securityfocus.com] On
Behalf Of a Crazy Doctor
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:48 PM
To: webappsec@securityfocus.com
Subject: Defining scope of an Annual medical exam
Hi,
Can anyone please tell what needs to be considered while defining the scope
of an annual medical exam. Here I am concerned only about the cholesterol
level and heart beat that would exclude every other bit related to the
infrastructure (such as any other vital parts, diabetes, or the overall
body). Also how do we calculate the effort required to perform an annual
medical exam. The things which I think may be considered are the age of the
patient, past history, etc.
But what else can be considered?
Any inputs would be highly appreciated.
Cheers
Crazy Doctor
============= End of Twisted message ==========================
WOULD YOU ACCEPT AND USE SERVICE FROM SUCH A DOCTOR?
Why is this acceptable in the Security Testing profession and why do we see
this all the time?
I think before you offer service to clients you have to build the service
first.
Hopefully the security testing world will mature quickly over time if we
wish to even attempt to call ourselves PROFESSIONALS.
Best regards
Clement
--------------------------Original Message Below ------------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listbounce@securityfocus.com
> [mailto:listbounce@securityfocus.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: webappsec@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Defining scope of web application pentest
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone please tell what needs to be considered while defining the
> scope of a web application penetration test. Here I am concerned only
> about the web application and the web server that would exclude every
> other bit related to the infrastructure (such as firewall or a proxy
> etc). Also how do we calculate the effort required to test a web
> application. The things which I think may be considered are the
> number of static and dynamic pages and types of users involved etc.
> But what else can be considered?
>
> Any inputs would be highly appreciated.
>
> Cheers
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