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Re: Login credentials and session id security

Subject: Re: Login credentials and session id security
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:39:22 +0100
Hi,

Thanks Rogan and everyone else for replying to my query and the responses were quite helpful. Ok, here I'll give one scenario to make it even more clear if someone could not understand my point correctly.

Suppose this is an e-commerce application and a user is trying to access it through some shared computer such a Internet cafe or a hotel. Now my worry is that it is possible to capture user credentials by deploying a web proxy client, no matter the application is using GET or POST methods or is using an encrypted session. Yes, user would get an SSL error message but only in Firefox as I have not seen such message appearing in IE yet (I'm using IE6).

From the responses till now, it appears to me that using salted hashes of passwords is the best way as it would not appear as plain text in web proxy. Also server generates a new hash using a new salt every time a user wants to authenticate to avoid replay attacks.

Any other thoughts or suggestions would be much appreciated.

Regards
Vishal


At 10:56 6/7/2007, Rogan Dawes wrote:
Vishal Garg wrote:
Hi All,
Can someone please tell what is the most secure way of sending login credentials to the server. The possible ways that I am familiar with are:
- get method
- post method

These are HTTP methods for sending parameters.

- hidden form fields

This is a technique for defining parameters which will result in one or other of the GET or POST methods (above) being executed.


By using an encrypted connection we cannot sniff the credentials, but still it is very easy to capture or manipulate these credentials using a web proxy from any of these methods. So I am looking to find a method to transport the credentials to the server so that the security of these credentials can't be compromised even by deploying a web proxy.

The proxy can only be used by someone who accepts the certificate validation error that appears in the browser. If you are worried that your users might be trying to subvert your login process, the odds are good that you are trying to make your login process too complex!


In the normal event, your users will know their username and password, so trying to prevent them from intercepting these same values is completely pointless. If your concern is regarding cleartext passwords being available on the server (e.g. you don't ever want clear text passwords to leave the browser), you may want to consider something like Secure Remote Password (SRP). However, this requires a Java applet or ActiveX control for performing the crypto and generating random numbers, and is unlikely to be popular.

Also once a session id is generated, what is the best way to maintain the security of a session id.

See http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Session_Management
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards
Vishal

Hope this helps.

Rogan




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