As long as there are NO RULES i.e. standards which companies MUST adhere
to in order to ensure an application is built for suitability for
purpose and a basic set of security principles the current state of
software development will continue.
There will be those large software vendors which will bend to pressure
from large corporations but without a LEGAL framework the huge numbers
of small to middle size applications vendors who would prefer smoke and
mirrors will continue with that theme since it is zero cost.
-----Original Message-----
From: tcp fin [mailto:inet_inaddr@yahoo.com]
Sent: 11 July 2006 05:30
To: Martin O'Neal; drfrancky@securax.org; RSnake
Cc: bugtraq@cgisecurity.net; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk;
bugtraq@securityfocus.com; webappsec@securityfocus.com;
websecurity@webappsec.org
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Re: [WEB SECURITY] Cross Site Scripting
in Google
Hey Martin ,
I agree with u partly but there are vendors out there
in the market who has Dont know DOnt care attitude. If
thats the case after idetifying and exploiting the vulnerability in the
same vendor product , I personally would not like to waste my and your
time with vendor who did not give us fav response before.
I would refrain from taking names but I have seen that happening in the
past and still some of those vul are existing in those products. However
no one can deny Full Disclosure with responsibility the responsible
Disclosure !!! Regards,
TCP-FIN
--- Martin O'Neal <martin.oneal@corsaire.com> wrote:
my opinion is that full disclosure is not for
vendors ..
it's for users. full disclosure is for us to know
how to
react on certain threads.
Which is just fine if you are technically competent
to understand the
threat, and there is also a valid mitigating
strategy you can employ
immediately. For the vast majority of situations
though, this just
isn't the case. The users are not technically
competent enough to
understand the true threat posed by an entry on a
news group (which are
generally hopelessly incomplete and/or factually
inaccurate) and then
this is coupled with a vulnerable product that may
be essential,
difficult to protect, and a stable official fix that
may be weeks or
months away from delivery.
I personally also believe in full disclosure, but it
has to be delivered
in a responsible fashion. Dispatching
vulnerabilities to a public list
without even attempting to contact the vendor is
clearly not in the best
interest of the vendors nor the great majority of
the user base.
Martin...
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