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Re: Non SSL Bank Login Forms

Subject: Re: Non SSL Bank Login Forms
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:08:09 -0500
As users become more aware, the helpdesk get more calls from users
asking if a login form is secure, because they don't see the lock icon. 
As in your case, the form itself is not SSL-secured, just the form
action.  This question has nearly reached "FAQ" status for some of our
sites.

Of course, there's a lot of overhead for a busy site if your login form
happens to be on your home page.  Rather than forcing users to log in up
front, using SSL to secure the form itself only when a login becomes
required (upon checkout for an e-commerce example) would mitigate this
extra load.  It also might reduce calls from increasing numbers of
security-conscious users.

Does securing the form itself with SSL provide any benefits besides
customer peace-of-mind?  Does it make it less likely that a badly coded
login page would be the target of a cross-site scripting attack, etc.?


"Adam Tuliper" <amt@gecko-software.com> 5/19/2006 8:26 am >>>

Wil is correct, beware though, users do look for the little "lock"
secure symbol in their browsers, so their perception is the form won't
be secure even if posting to a secure url. This same scenario was
brought to my attention from an end user wondering where the lock was on
their page : )



-----Original Message-----
From: Wil Clouser <clouserw@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, 19 May 2006 05:07:50
To: "wilson.amajohn@gmail.com" <wilson.amajohn@gmail.com>
Cc: webappsec@securityfocus.com 
Subject: Re: Non SSL Bank Login Forms

Hi John,

The form itself is not sent over a secure connection, but the action
of the form points to a secure destination.  Since the browser
initiates the request to the destination (and that connection is using
SSL), the POST will be sent securely.

Wil

On 18 May 2006 14:57:49 -0000, wilson.amajohn@gmail.com 
 wrote:
Hello all, my question is how can a form have a field that is secure
without using SSL.  From my web programming experience I cannot
understand a Bank's claim that their login form is secure when there is
no SSL used.  "Signing on to secure sites from an unsecure page is a
common industry practice"  The POST data has to get to the server if SSL
is not used how can they claim it is secure?  I hope I have clarified my
question enough

Thanks

John


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