Hi Daniel,
This is an interesting issue. I can see why it's tempting to poke around the
site to see if it's secure--after all, you have a right to protect yourself.
That said, I still think it's unethical, even if it was just a half-hearted
cracking attempt; breaking the law just to check whether someone else might be
able to break the law isn't a defensible position.
Ethics aside, doing a half-hearted crack job probably isn't that helpful anyway;
just because you didn't break in doesn't mean someone else can't. And if you did
break in, what makes you think that putting in an order via phone makes your
data more secure than doing it via the Web site? Your credit card info is still
going to be entered into a database that may or may not be secure, and will be
handled by employees who may or may not be trustworthy.
If you're really that worried about the security of the site, I think you're
better off not doing business with them.
Just my two cents.
Best,
Andrew
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Daniel wrote:
With more of my purchases being made on the web today, i'm always
concerned that the site I'm using is making use of decent security
standards.
Last night i was purchasing some art on line and when it came to the
payment section, the whole thing was iffy and didn't seem right. Even
on the most basic input field, there was no validation being performed
(yes i added a back tick, and even though some might find this wrong,
i would like to know that my banking details are being handled in
accordance with UK data protection laws)
I didn't go any further and decided to phone in my order via the phone.
Does anyone else do this?
I know that it opens up a whole can of worms regarding acceptable
usage of the site, and it would be interesting to see what other
people think.
Daniel
Hi Daniel,
I think that in the absence of any other means of determining the
overall security of a site (some recently issued reputable security
certification, perhaps), that sort of test is roughly equivalent to
rattling your front door after you have locked it, to ensure that it
stays locked.
While perhaps conflicting with the letter of the law, I don't think that
it is an entirely unreasonable thing to perform one or two "peace of
mind" tests before you hand over your details.
What I'm trying to say is that I commend you for your vigilance, even if
I am not that vigilant myself.
Regards,
Rogan
"Back ticks" (``), however, are unlikely to reveal much about the
security of the site. They are generally used by a Unix shell for
command interpolation, rather than as string delimiters in a SQL
command. Did you mean "single quotes" (''), perhaps?
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