Hi Rogan:
I understand that the Hacme site is intentionally buggy my point
was that it's quite surprising that Mark sees these very basic errors
continuing to be made by web developers. Basic training in the .NET
platform and some on line reading will emphasize to the developer not to
make these mistakes.
I do appreciate the work Mark did on the Hacme site and am sure
it's going to be valuable to help emphasize not to make these mistakes.
Thanks
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Rogan Dawes [mailto:discard@dawes.za.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:53 AM
To: Don Tuer
Cc: webappsec@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Hacme Bank
Hi Don,
Trust me when I say you are preaching to the choir here. Mark has been
leading this list and discussions here for a number of years - I think
it is safe to assume that he knows a little about web app security.
Hacme Bank is an application designed to point out the mistakes that too
many developers make. It is *deliberately* buggy. It is intended as a
demonstrator that you can use to explain to management and clients (with
appropriate license?) just how important all those things that you
mention are.
Hope that clears up any misunderstandings.
Rogan
Don Tuer wrote:
Hi Mark:
Thanks for releasing this tool, looks pretty neat. But I must
say that I can't understand why these types of errors are still being
made in Web applications. Basically if you follow a few simple rules
you
will avoid these errors:
- Don't trust user input (mitigates hidden form counts)
- Validate all input on the server (mitigates Cross site scripting)
- Use stored procedures for all database access (mitigates SQL
injection)
- Don't send verbose error logs to end users (mitigates information
release)
- Encrypt client cookies (mitigates cookie manipulation)
These things are really easy to do using .NET and any developer that
has
taken the time to do some basic review of Microsoft's documentation
will
see this...
Thanks
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Curphey [mailto:mark@curphey.com]
Sent: 08 September 2004 14:04
To: webappsec@securityfocus.com; pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Hacme Bank
Just to let you know in the next hour or so the links should go live
to
our
new free tool, Hacme Bank on the Foundstone web site
(http://www.foundstone.com/s3i).
You can see the press release here;
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2004/Sep/1071232.htm
It's an online banking application written in C# ASP.NET (requires IIS
and
.NET framework 1.1 to install) with a set of security holes
replicating
real
world things we have found in client engagements over the last 9
months.
It
serves as a "real world" training application for web application pen
testing and education for developers.
Its free for non-commercial use and we are already working on the next
version to include some more user management issues.
All of the lessons are screen captured and documented so you can step
through all of the issues. These are in a "User and Solution Guide"
PDF
in
the web root by default.
It is not designed to be a good benchmarking platform for automated
tools
but it is interesting to compare the results of your favorite tools
with
the
holes in the bank (we have done this) or put it behind a "web app
firewall"
(no uptake from my recent challenge I am afraid, go figure!).
The experienced can start attacking the login field when installed and
the
less experienced can walk through the lesson plans.
Mark
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