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| Subject: | Re: On classifying attacks |
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| Date: | Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:22:09 -0500 |
Just my $0.02 on the topic, but there are multiple kinds of "remote exploits" There's remote-active, where the exploit is carried out against a system actively (either manually or via an automated process), such as your example for BIND and various worms vs Windows (CodeRed, Nimda, MSBlast, etc). There's remote-accessible, where the exploit isn't activated directly from remote, but is still manipulated via remote, such as your EMail trojan example. If I couldn't get the code from remote on to the system, there would be no exploit. The initial "remote-active" exploit in this case would be the social engineering aspect of getting the user to open the email I sent. Then you get into "local exploits" which require direct (and sometimes physical) access to the device in question. Could I have walked up and downloaded the trojan in question and manually executed it? Sure. Anything in the 'remote-accessible' region would be repeatable as a local exploit while not everything in 'remote-active' could be. The answer ultimately is: There's a LOT of gray out here... Exploits are exploits. They're generally all bad and need to be handled properly when encountered. Derek Martin wrote:
The issue has come up on bugtraq before, but I think it is worth raising it again. The question is how to classify attacks against users' client programs which come from the Internet, e.g. an e-mail carrying a malicious trojan horse payload. The reason this is important is because we judge how serious a particular vulnerability is based on how it is classified. We normally ask two main questions: - Is this a root vulnerability, i.e. does it have the potential grant the attacker the privileges of the system management account? - Is the vulnerability remotely exploitable? The latter is a question which, when an answer is attempted, sometimes raises debate. The case of the trojan e-mail is a prime example of this. Some are tempted to call this a remote exploit. The payload finds its way to the attacker's machine via a network, after all... The attacker isn't logged in to the victim's machine. Security researchers are also eager to publish remotely exploitable vulnerabilities, perhaps because such a vulnerability is generally considered to be much more severe than one that is not, and thus more notariety comes with publishing such a vulnerability. This kind of attack has a name already: it is a trojan horse. A malicious payload is disguised as an innocuous e-mail, usually with an attachment. Once the user views the e-mail, or possibly even when the mail client tries to display headers in the message index, a bug is triggered which unleashes the payload on the poor unsuspecting user. But is this a remote exploit? Examine what is happening when the exploit is executing. The payload is already on the user's system. It was delivered via some MTA (possibly the same program the user uses to read mail, possibly not) onto the user's filesystem. This is the remote part. But, usually, at this point there has been no exploit. Only after the user opens the mail, or looks at it in the message index, does the exploit happen. The payload is already local to the machine, and it is the action of a local user which triggers the exploit. It is a passive attack, launched by an attacker who can only HOPE that the user will fall into his trap, even if he knows the user is using vulnerable code. Nothing the attacker can do remotely will force the exploit to be triggered. Only once the user has acted will the payload become an exploit. This is not truly a remote exploit. By contrast, look at a remote exploit against BIND. An attacker launches the attack, which is an active attack... The attacker sends data directly to the running named daemon, in order to exploit some bug in the program. The actions of the attacker, if he is successful, are the direct cause of the compromise. Once the DNS server software has been started, no intervention is required by a user on the local system to effect the exploit. This is a true remote exploit. What is clear is that e-mail trojans, and other kinds of attacks which are similar in nature, ARE more of a threat than what we normally think of as local exploits, and should be treated as such. They have some similar characteristics to remotely exploitable vulnerabilities: they can allow an attacker who normally would not have authorized access, or even physical access, to gain access to the system. But they are not as severe as truly remote exploits, because often (if not most of the time) careful users can avoid the affects of such an attack, even though they may be running vulnerable code. So let's return to the questions we ask, when deciding how severe an attack may be. Perhaps what we need is not to call these remote exploits, but to ask a new question: Does the vulnerability make my system susceptible to trojan horse attacks? These vulnerabilities really should answer "no" to the remote exploit question, but "yes" to this new question. A yes answer here clearly indicates a more severe threat than a local exploit, but somewhat less of a threat than a truly remote exploit. Assessing the threat properly helps everyone.
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