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Re: [Snort-users] Question on port lists and negation

Subject: Re: [Snort-users] Question on port lists and negation
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:13:34 -0500
Hello Richard,

I believe something like the following should work, without the use of 'flow' 
in the rule. 

alert tcp any !PORTS -> any !PORTS 

The rule needs apply to packets going to and coming from the ports in the PORTS 
list.  I have not found the "->" token to do anything to enforce direction 
since at least 2.4.3.  I've had to rely on the 'flow' option to enforce a 
packet direction for TCP sessions.

I would use something like this:

alert tcp any any -> any !PORTS ( flow:to_server,established; ... )

From the best of my knowledge using option 'flow:to_server, established;' does 
two things 1. prevents your alert from triggering until a flow is 
"established" and  2. prevents alerting on return packets related to the 
established flow.  


-John


Richard Bejtlich wrote:
On 10/8/07, Matthew Watchinski <mwatchinski@sourcefire.com> wrote:
  
Richard Bejtlich wrote:
    
Say I create this snort.conf:

portvar MY_HTTP_PORTS [80,81,82,83,88,8000,8008,8080]
alert tcp any any -> any !$MY_HTTP_PORTS (msg:"Example Not"; sid:4;)

      
It alerts because

192.168.2.105:50970 -> 192.168.2.103:8000
is no different than
192.168.2.103:8000 -> 192.168.2.105:50970

cause you are running with any any -> any !PORTS

any any matches both 192.168.2.105:50970 -> 192.168.2.103:8000
and 192.168.2.103:8000 -> 192.168.2.105:50970

    

Hi Matt,

Thanks for your comments.  I don't understand why these packets are
"no different".  The MY_HTTP_PORTS variable includes 8000.  If I
negate MY_HTTP_PORTS in my rule, why do I get an alert on
192.168.2.105:50970 -> 192.168.2.103:8000?  Is it because port 8000 in
the packet is not other ports in the variable, like 80, 81, etc.?
  
Let's try another angle in a new snort.conf.

portvar NOT_MY_HTTP_PORTS [!80,!81,!82,!83,!88,!8000,!8008,!8080]
alert tcp any any -> any $NOT_MY_HTTP_PORTS (msg:"Example Not"; sid:5;)

This time, Snort reports only one alert.

10/08-17:00:07.050091  [**] [1:5:0] Example Not [**] [Priority: 0]
{TCP} 192.168.2.103:8000 -> 192.168.2.105:53298
      
This I can't reproduce my test alerts on the same packets as the first
rule.  Updating it with flow:to_server,established makes it behave as
desired.

    

This doesn't make sense either.  I'm running

snort -V

   ,,_     -*> Snort! <*-
  o"  )~   Version 2.8.0 IPv6 (Build 67)  FreeBSD
   ''''    By Martin Roesch & The Snort Team: http://www.snort.org/team.html
           (C) Copyright 1998-2007 Sourcefire Inc., et al.
           Using PCRE version: 6.6 06-Feb-2006

Before I ask any other questions, are you running the equivalent?

By the way, does your mention of adding "flow" mean the direction
identifier -> is actually just a placeholder, and not doing anything
these days?

Thank you,

Richard

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