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What part do you or "Loyal" not understand about my admission to doing
it in the past as well? And I do find it legitimate to respond to a
person's post asking for Snort management consoles, whether its you, me,
or RA. But Remote Assessment is actually posting holiday special pricing
to this list with that are not replies -- I mean come on.
.. and yet you still completely missed my point.
Best Regards,
Eric Hines, GCIA, CISSP
CEO, President
Applied Watch Technologies, LLC
1095 Pingree Road
Suite 221
Crystal Lake, IL 60014
Toll Free: (877) 262-7593
Fax: (847) 854-5106
Cell: (847) 456-6785
Web: www.appliedwatch.com
Jeff Dell wrote:
Eric,
You said:
"If the Snort management product is completely free -- a true open source
product and is not sold or offered as a commercial solution, then I
think they should have the right to announce to this list. However,
products such as Aanval and ActiveWorx shouldn't (I've seen Jeff Dell do
the same thing in the past)."
Then you give an example in another email that you claim is a great example
on how I did this. Lets take a look at the full original email without the
bottom half removed like you posted[1]. As you can see I did nothing more
then answer the person's request. I did not post an announcement like you
claim. What is really interesting about the email you claim I am doing
marketing with... if you scroll down on that same link you will see your
reply to that same email with information about your product. Hmmm.. Maybe
that wasn't such a good example?
I have however sent many emails over the last 6 years announcing the release
of our completely free product that is not sold or offered as a commercial
solution [2].
Cheers,
Jeff
[1] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=15364007
[2] http://www.activeworx.org/programs/idspm/
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Hines [mailto:eric.hines@appliedwatch.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:05 PM
To: Jeff Dell
Cc: snort-users@lists.sourceforge.net;
administration@remoteassessment.com
Subject: Re: [Snort-users] Aanval Series 2 v2.3 Just Released
Jeff,
My statement was companies that have a free version and a commercial
version of their solution.
With you: IDS Policy Manager and your commercial product Activeworx
Security Center.
My point is, I can see abuse of this list by companies who make a
stripped down version of their product for free and then use this list
to "announce" that free version of their commercial solutions (Remote
Assessment/Aanval). They click on the site to check out this stripped
down version only to come upon the commercial product. I just think
companies who have free stripped down versions of their product they
sell shouldn't be allowed to market it on this list.
Its ingenious I think -- limit some capabilities of your product and
call it a free version in order to be able to market your company on
this mailing list.
Alright, yeah, we did it once :) I suppose I'm just tired of seeing
Remote Assessments constant posts to this list for Aanval.
The Halloween
sale was the "straw that broke the camel's back" with me.
Here is a post by you on April 10th which is a great example
of what I'm
talking about. Anyway, I don't want this to turn in to a flame war so
I'll drop it. I said my piece.
--- snip ---
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Snort-users] Snort Front-ends
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:02:36 -0400
From: Jeff Dell <jdell@activeworx.com>
To: 'Arif Basha' <arif.basha@janes.com>, 'Snort Mailing
Listehehe'
<snort-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Activeworx has a few products that are free and commercial.
Free solutions:
IDS Policy Manager - Snort Rules manager that runs on Windows and will
support sensors running on Microsoft and any OS that supports
SSH. Website:
http://www.activeworx.org
Honeynet Security Console - Snort event manager that runs on Windows.
Website: http://www.activeworx.org
Commercial:
Activeworx Security Center - Affordable commercial Snort
event manager/SIM
that can centralize Snort sensors/databases, schedule
reports, correlate
against vulnerabilities and events, interactive graphs, event
relationship
diagrams, plus a lot more. Website: http://www.activeworx.com
Cheers,
Jeff
----
Best Regards,
Eric Hines, GCIA, CISSP
CEO, President
Applied Watch Technologies, LLC
1095 Pingree Road
Suite 221
Crystal Lake, IL 60014
Toll Free: (877) 262-7593
Fax: (847) 854-5106
Cell: (847) 456-6785
Web: www.appliedwatch.com
Jeff Dell wrote:
If the Snort management product is completely free -- a true
open source
product and is not sold or offered as a commercial solution, then I
think they should have the right to announce to this list. However,
products such as Aanval and ActiveWorx shouldn't (I've seen
Jeff Dell do the same thing in the past).
I would have to completely disagree with you. I have NEVER
sent an email
about our commercial software. We have however sent many
emails over the
years about our FREE product IDS Policy Manager. We have
never collected a
dime for this software and have even turned away people who
wanted to donate
money to help with development. We don't have a commercial
version of the
product and we never will. We develop this product to give
back to the
community. Heck we even offer free support... So I would
love to see the
email where you claim I am marketing a commercial product.
Cheers,
Jeff
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