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Re: [Snort-sigs] L3Retriever false positives

Subject: Re: [Snort-sigs] L3Retriever false positives
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:09:52 -0600
On  0, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino <jfernandez@germinus.com> allegedly wrote:

I believe the L3Retriever information should be enhanced as shown below.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rule:  alert icmp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET any (msg:"ICMP 
L3retriever Ping"; icode:0; itype:8; 
content:"ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWABCDEFGHI"; depth:32; 
reference:arachnids,311; classtype:attempted-recon; sid:466; rev:4;)
--
Sid:           1:466
--
False positives:
[add] Windows 2000 and Windows XP systems are also known to 
occasionally send similar ICMP echo requests with this content when 
communicating with their domain controller or other Windows systems 
when trying to mount remote shares or doing network discovery.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

This has been brought up a number of times in the list:

Message-ID: <C038832A1A43884582CACB4B95217DC2011838EE@MIS_17>
Message-ID: 
<3D89EF6753768740AE4A1DD594736C0701A80E@email.olympus.spectra-inc.com>
Message-Id: <s0fbae32.096@hpsk12.net>
Message-ID: <20040716125316.34288.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com>


¿Any reason why it's not included yet? I understand that this is 
sometimes seen because HOME_NET and EXTERNAL_NET are not properly 
defined, but for IDS monitoring internal sensors for worm activities 
you really want to have EXTERNAL_NET = HOME_NET so you can detect 
attacks between internal users.

The funny thing is I noticed this while reviewing somebody's Kerio 
Firewall logs which includes this signatures as a "medium priority 
intrusion" (that's probably been fixed in Kerio, he was using an old 
version). Googling I've found people discussing this signature at
http://forums.speedguide.net/archive/index.php/t-160456.html
and
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?s=640949ba590225f0f8f60cad22bcfe8a&p=147781#post147781

:-)

Regards

Javier

The docs for each of the rules are written for the rule as shipped and
usually assume that the user has correctly configured the appropriate
variables in snort.conf for a snort IDS being used in the standard
behind-the-firewall manner. It is important that the false positive section
should not create possible cases of false negatives, this is why we do
not normally include false positive information like this for
"non-standard" configurations.

That said, some installations as you mentioned, could potentially set
variables like $EXTERNAL_NET and $HOME_NET to be the same. (There are
other things you could do with variables but that is off-topic for this
thread) In these situations, you must expect to have a higher incidence of
false positives and the snort installation needs considerably more
tuning than normal. If you are in this situation, you more than likely
have more of an idea about what is going on and more time to deal with
internal host to internal host traffic.

On a final note, it is a good thing that the mailing list archives are 
searchable and easily found, as you have demonstrated, a little work
searching the web can reveal some useful information :)

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    Nigel Houghton      Research Engineer       Sourcefire Inc.
                  Vulnerability Research Team

 Stewie: You know, I rather like this God fellow. Very theatrical, 
         you know. Pestilence here, a plague there. Omnipotence 
                                 ...gotta get me some of that.


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