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Re: Two questions

Subject: Re: Two questions
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:24:36 -0500
Michael,

I am NOT a lawyer and do not know the law in your area. However, I do
know that U.S. DoJ is pushing hard to require anyone doing anything
forensics or incident response to be a licensed PI.

Please see my embedded comments...

Michael Condon wrote:
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I also need to find out if you just need certification, or just need to be a licensed PI, or both, in each of the three states.

My best advice would be to contact the a lawyer or the state attorney general in each jurisdiction. You may also want to post a question to Security Focus' forensics mailing list. However, be wary of any 'legal opinions' you may receive.

However, I can tell you that in SC, to get a PI license requires 2 years
training and a year apprenticeship.

And what certification, if not CHFI, is recognized as sufficiently valid to perform this kind of investigation (perhaps CISSP/ISC2)?

I have heard law enforcement openly laugh at CHFI -- and CISSP and other non-forensics certs are useless. The certification that I see most law enforcement agencies require is the ISFCE/CCE -- which, as I understand it, takes 3 years to obtain.

I've had to do internal sort of forensic work of this sort and more for former employers - it resulted in reprimand or at times termination.

These days, doing such work could easily get you criminally prosecuted. I have been given legal advice to 'do nothing that can be construed as forensics.' I was told that looking at someone's browser's history and showing management where they had been going to xxxporn.com would be considered doing forensics, as would using DNS query logging or sniffing network traffic to show similar activity. It is even questionable as to whether it is technically legal for an organization's IT staff, unless they have a PI license, to use IDS logs to track down compromised systems, as that may be considered incident response.

Insane mess? I agree.

Jon Kibler
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Jon R. Kibler
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Advanced Systems Engineering Technology, Inc.
Charleston, SC  USA
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