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| Subject: | RE: ADS Password Storage Protection |
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| Date: | Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:55:54 -0400 |
My conjecture is that franklyidon'tgiveadamn is pretty uncrackable as well. No complexity, but length prevents it from being easily broken...non-trivial. Pull out the complexity and the length is still insurmountable in most cases. If you don't believe that then break my 123456789012345 length, no complexity challenges. -----Original Message----- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:deppdm@ornl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:36 AM To: winshel@camden.rutgers.edu; security-basics@securityfocus.com Subject: RE: ADS Password Storage Protection The phrase you gave, "frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" meets most definitions of complexity. I has upper and lower case letters and special characters. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: winshel@camden.rutgers.edu [mailto:winshel@camden.rutgers.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:25 AM To: security-basics@securityfocus.com Subject: Re: RE: ADS Password Storage Protection I've read and heard many sources say this same thing, i.e., that, for windows systems, length is stronger than short and complex. And that a 15 character or longer password can be a real phrase and it will be a secure password. I can see why a long password that consists of a real phrase - such as "frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" - would be just as secure as an equally long complex password, in terms of protection against a brute force attack. I don't know much about password cracking programs but am surprised that, while they would be working on a brute force attack, they wouldn't be able to try a lot of commonly-used phrases at the same time. If some password cracking programs can use a dictionary attack, couldn't there also be something called a passphrase attack? Would it be difficult for a password cracker to digitize Bartlett's Book of Quotations and include that in an attack on a password? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- This list is sponsored by: SensePost Hacking, like any art, will take years of dedicated study and practice to master. We can't teach you to hack. But we can teach you what we've learned so far. Our courses are honest, real, technical and practical. SensePost willl be at Black Hat Vegas in July. To see what we're about, visit us at: http://www.sensepost.com/training.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- This list is sponsored by: SensePost Hacking, like any art, will take years of dedicated study and practice to master. We can't teach you to hack. But we can teach you what we've learned so far. Our courses are honest, real, technical and practical. SensePost willl be at Black Hat Vegas in July. To see what we're about, visit us at: http://www.sensepost.com/training.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is sponsored by: Norwich University EARN A MASTER OF SCIENCE IN INFORMATION ASSURANCE - ONLINE The NSA has designated Norwich University a center of Academic Excellence in Information Security. Our program offers unparalleled Infosec management education and the case study affords you unmatched consulting experience. Using interactive e-Learning technology, you can earn this esteemed degree, without disrupting your career or home life. http://www.msia.norwich.edu/secfocus ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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