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| Subject: | Re: Re: RE: ADS Password Storage Protection |
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| Date: | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:27:33 -0700 |
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While dictionary attacks are very useful, the ease of remembering a passphrase makes up for the difference (IMHO). For example, take the following passphrase (which I don't use anywhere):
Once upon a mid-night dreary while I pondered, "What's a door?"
Perfectly correct English and very easy to remember (especially if you ever read the Mad spoof of "The Raven"). It also is 63 characters long, mixed case, with symbols, and doesn't exist as a string in any published text. Is it really that vulnerable to dictionary attacks?
I can't remember highly complex passwords of more than about 8 to 12 characters. Once I get too many of them, I need to start writing them down unless I make them easy to remember, and with only 8 char. to work with (as many of my passwords are restricticted in length) it is very hard not to compromise the complexity while being easy to remember. On the other hand, I easily remember several different passphrases of lengths ranging from 20 to (now) 63 and though there is one that I haven't used in about a year, it is still fresh in my mind. This reduces the problems of recording passwords in insecure locations or needed passwords reset.
Greg
On 17 Jul 2006 19:55:09 -0000, eric.baechle@dhs.gov <eric.baechle@dhs.gov> wrote:
Winshel;
Actually, a passphrase is not as secure as a random password. As you probably have heard, "Don't use dictionary words" over and over again. Even compound dictionary words are bad, ie: "firedogdalmation". Compounding dictionary words with spaces, punctuation, and even gramatically correct modifiers in between is really no different than without. It's a very simple substitution to try; "firedogdalmation" and then try "fire dog dalmation", "Fire Dog Dalmation", "Dalmation the Fire Dog", etc.
Using compound dictionary words could come back to bite you very quickly, even when used in long phrases.
Sincerely,
Eric Baechle, CISSP/ISSEP, etc.
Senior INFOSEC/OPSEC Engineer
Department of Homeland Security
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