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RE: Deliberately create slow SSH response?

Subject: RE: Deliberately create slow SSH response?
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:02:35 +0200
Bryan,

Were I in your shoes - which I by the way basically am - I would
seriously consider denyhost, to which a link was given on the list.

Denyhosts works a treat for us in blocking new and blacklisting known
brute-force kiddies. Throw in portsentry for good measure, and the
little SOB's are denied the pleasure of scanning your system in order to
find another way to annoy you.

IMHO this combo works way better than the tarpit approach, since some of
these kids - and most are kids - just let their computer do the work,
while they are at school or out seducing members of the opposite sex...

Bjarne

tor, 10 07 2008 kl. 14:10 -0500, skrev Bryan Christ:
Unfortunately, I never know exactly where I'll be logging in from and
maintaining a blacklist/whitelist is tiresome.  As for moving the port
(another suggestion I saw) that's not really a possibility for me either
because some of the remote locations I shell in from don't allow traffic
out non-standard ports.

On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 18:54 +0000, Sergio Castro wrote:
Indeed, I agree.
The point I'm trying to convey is that if the objective is to reduce the
chance of an attack getting through, and given the fact that the service is
SSH, then a better solution may be to limit access to trusted IPs.
That's all I'm saying :)

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Bryan Christ [mailto:bryan.christ@hp.com]
Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Julio de 2008 01:51 p.m.
Para: Sergio Castro
CC: 'Zembower, Kevin'; secureshell@securityfocus.com
Asunto: RE: Deliberately create slow SSH response?

Sergio,

I think Kevin and I realize that dictionary attacks are automated, but a
30-60 second delay would significantly slow them down to the point where it
could hardly be called a brute force attack.

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 17:14 +0000, Sergio Castro wrote:
The brute force attacks are most likely automated, so if your
objective is to bore a human to death with 30 second delays, it wont'
work.

Have you thought about limiting access to the service to only certain IPs?

- Sergio

-----Mensaje original-----
De: listbounce@securityfocus.com [mailto:listbounce@securityfocus.com]
En nombre de Zembower, Kevin Enviado el: MiÃrcoles, 09 de Julio de
2008 11:56 a.m.
Para: secureshell@securityfocus.com
Asunto: Deliberately create slow SSH response?

This might seem like a strange question to ask, but is there a way to
deliberately create a slow response to an SSH request? I'm annoyed at
the large number of distributed SSH brute-force attacks on a server I
administer, trying to guess the password for 'root' and other accounts.
I think that my server is pretty secure; doesn't allow root to log in
through SSH, only a restricted number of accounts are allowed SSH
access, with I think pretty good passwords. But still, the attempts annoy
me.

I wouldn't mind if SSH took say 30 seconds to ask me for my password.
This would slow the attempts. Is there any way to configure OpenSSH to
do this? I searched the archives of this group with 'slow' and 'delay'
but didn't come up with anything on this topic. Please point it out to
me if I overlooked anything. In addition, I can limit the number of
SSH connections to 3-5 and still operate okay.

Ultimately, I need this solution for hosts running OpenSSH_3.9p1 under
RHEL ES 4 and OpenSSH_4.3p2 under Debian 'etch' 4.0 and Fedora Core 6.

Thanks in advance for your advice and suggestions.

-Kevin

Kevin Zembower
Internet Services Group manager
Center for Communication Programs
Bloomberg School of Public Health
Johns Hopkins University
111 Market Place, Suite 310
Baltimore, Maryland  21202
410-659-6139


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