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Re: Windows XP / 2K3 Default Users

Subject: Re: Windows XP / 2K3 Default Users
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:39:36 -0700
You "routinely" crack passwords on SAM's that are SYSKEY'd by default
(128-bit) with rainbow tables?  XP/2k3 has syskey on by default... And any
password over 14 characters automatically clear the LM hash, even if you
have not turned it off (which I can't imagine anyone not doing.)

So, I'm guessing that the "rainbow table" hubbub is all 40-bit, or silly LM
hash cracking, right?  Or am I missing something here?

t



On 10/26/06 2:07 PM, "ep" <captgoodnight@hotmail.com> spoketh to all:

I crack these routinely when pentesting/playing, granted, it's by pushing
the sam through rainbow tables, thus admin access...
Basically, any sam once in hand, is cracked these days via rainbowtables.
There're ways to prevent this from happening, but most admins don't go that
extra step...

--cg

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce@securityfocus.com [mailto:listbounce@securityfocus.com] On
Behalf Of Joey Peloquin
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:38 PM
To: s-williams@nyc.rr.com; Pen-Testing
Subject: Re: Windows XP / 2K3 Default Users

s-williams@nyc.rr.com wrote:
Hello list this might be an easy question to answer but have anyone
been sucessful in using windows built in default accounts when doing a
password audit. I
know  most
xp machines has (help assitant and support_xxxxxxxx). Is their a
default
list out
there some where with various vendor OS  passwords, or a way to figure
out the password for these accounts.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

You can try to crack them through normal means, but it'd likely be a futile
act since a) they are randomized and *extremely* complex (as far as I
recall) and b) even my ~13 year old knows to restrict these accounts.  There
are clueless admins out there though, so, *shrug*.

-jp



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