We use social engineering on almost every assessment we do except when the
request is for a strict technical assessment.
Capt. Paul B. Keener
OIC, Marine Corps Red Team
Marine Corps Network Operations & Security Command
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-----Original Message-----
From: StyleWar <stylewar@cox.net>
To: 'Joey Peloquin' <joeyp@cotse.net>; Keener Capt Paul B
<KeenerPB@mcnosc.usmc.mil>
CC: 'Pen-Testing' <pen-test@securityfocus.com>
Sent: Sat Aug 26 19:44:04 2006
Subject: RE: Penetration Testing - Human Factor
lol
With respect, I think that's a greater commentary on your contracting
methods than it is on what's available. The Pen-Tests I have run include
everything from physical, to logical, to social/administrative. The
customer has had to opt out on specific methods and attack trees as part of
the preengagement process.
-
StyleWar
"Patriotism isn't defined in a moment. It's defined in a lifetime."
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey Peloquin [mailto:joeyp@cotse.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:10 AM
To: KeenerPB@mcnosc.usmc.mil
Cc: Pen-Testing
Subject: Re: Penetration Testing - Human Factor
KeenerPB@mcnosc.usmc.mil wrote:
I would disagree with Arian regarding the technical aspects
of "true"
hacking...in my experience, social engineering plays a huge role in
successful compromise of a network. Most of the time the boundaries
are pretty tight so you have to lob one over the fence (social
engineering) in order to punch out from the inside to
defeat the boundary devices.
All due respect, I'm both an Enterprise pen-test customer and
an internal pen-tester at the same company, and I don't see
social engineering on the radar at all, save a mention as
part of our security awareness program.
How many enterprises do you all contract with that *actually*
include social engineering, and the like, in the scope?
We've paid as much as 40K for an engagement and it didn't
include social engineering.
-jp
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