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RE: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

Subject: RE: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:30:00 -0500
Here's the link to the article: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/399

It's ridiculous they would even consider this law though. I contacted my 
mother, who is an attorney in Texas with her opinion on the article, here's her 
feedback on it.

I think the example they gave was an isolated incident prompted by the 
irritated people in that case.  Texas does have a law like that now, which has 
had several AG opinions issued to clarify it.  There is no way that any 
testifying expert would ever be caught in this â you would have to be an 
attorney horseâs ass to even try and nobody would who was in their right 
mind.   That is, if the expert were credentialed and no good lawyer would ever 
try to put on an expert who was not.  The Daubert case has been law for a long 
time and is nothing new â it just was a final Supreme Court case on the issue 
that is now the by-word on challenging experts, but at least around here none 
of the Daubert motions are ever granted â they are just made for the record 
on appeal if necessary.
    
    The person who wrote the article is somewhat of an alarmist and one of 
those where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing â in your situation, if 
you are credentialed as a computer security person, whatever those credentials 
might ever be found to be, it is highly unlikely that any such thing would ever 
come up, assuming you are being reasonable in your findings and not off the 
wall.  Missouri doesnât have such a law anyway, to my knowledge.  
    As far as just doing the investigation and providing information, what 
situation would arise where any such law, in a state where it exists, would be 
attempted to be enforced?  It would have to be an extremely strange situation 
and probably one where someone highly placed was caught red-handed big time and 
is trying to use anything he can to wiggle out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Frederick [mailto:flosofl@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:51 AM
To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

This is happening now.  Georgia has pending legislation for forensic
examination of information systems.  If you aren't licensed as an
Investigator in the state, you can be charged with a felony if the law
passes.

I can't find a link, but I swear I read this a couple days ago. 
Anyone have any info, or was I hallucinating :)

On 4/25/06, v b <r0cketgrl@yahoo.com> wrote:
All funning aside, this was included in a topic of a
BoF at the recent ShmooCon held in DC.  The speakers
contended that unless the community becomes
self-policing, there WOULD eventually be government
legislation to license information security
practitioners.  Interesting theory.  I like the idea
of shipping all unlicensed practitioners to Lincoln.
Could do wonders for that local economy. :-)

Regards.


--- Dogten <dogten@d3fcon.org> wrote:

Mark Teicher wrote:
Why not license security engineers/gurus like they
do social workers, plumbers and doctors.

Then after one gets everyone to comply, partner
with an insurance company to offer liability and
malpractice insurance to the licensed penetration
testers, just in case someone accidently shuts down
a life support system in a hospital as they are
scanning random Class 'C's on the internet or
hijacking root DNS servers in order to play audio
streams.

For those who do not comply, set up Senate
hearings, and send out letters to those who do not
comply, "Are you an unlicensed penetration tester?"
If yes, please list all your friends, neighbors, etc
that may or may not be unlicense penetration
testers.  Once they have rounded up all the non
complying penetration testers, escort them to local
train stations, and guide them onto the train, where
they will be taken to re-education camps in Lincoln,
Nebraska.  --:)


-----Original Message-----

From: Dogten <dogten@d3fcon.org>
Sent: Apr 20, 2006 10:08 PM
To: Steve Friedl <steve@unixwiz.net>
Cc: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

Steve Friedl wrote:

If it's not from the government, it's not a real
license.

where does literary license come in? the media
certainly practices it
with impunity.

--
-dogten, CïISSP
_________________
Fight the power and the power will fight back
Your only as good as the system you hack
If you become a problem you will be replaced
Banned, shut down, erased !




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