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| Subject: | RE: Whitespace in passwords |
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| Date: | Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:08:43 -0400 |
Craig,
Are you suggesting they have a Unicode/extend ASCII table hidden from use?
How about we try possibly forcing Unicode character:
if(strInList(szPwd,aBadWords))
bComplex = FALSE;
if(cchPassword > 9){
for(i = 0; i < cchPassword ; i++){
if(szPwd[i] & C1_DIGIT) { dwNum = 1; continue; }
if(szPwd[i] & C1_UPPER) { dwUpper = 1; continue; }
if(szPwd[i] & C1_LOWER) { dwLower = 1; continue; }
if(szPwd[i] & C1_SYMBOL) { dwSym = 1; continue}
if(isUnicode(szPwd[i])) {dwUnicode = 1; continue}
}
if(bUserIsAdmin){ //Admins need better passwords than users
if ((dwNum + dwUpper + dwLower + dwSym + dwUnicode == 5) &&
cchPassword>14)
bComplex = TRUE;
}
else { //User is not an admin, use lower requirements
if(dwNum + dwUpper + dwLower + dwSym + dwUnicode) >= 4)
bComplex = TRUE;
}
I will see if I can find more info for you.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: Craig Wright [mailto:cwright@bdosyd.com.au] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 16:55 To: dave kleiman; pen-test@securityfocus.com Cc: Anders Thulin; bryan allott; compuwar@gmail.com; Peter Parker Subject: RE: Whitespace in passwords Please note I was pointing to the "success rates" table for NTLM The lowest is 80.19% as it stands. This is not all the tables are precomputed, but there is still an 80+ % crack rate (and this is growing) Further - this is not the only table source. Further - there is no manner in which you will enforce extended passwords. As I initially stated - the issue is in protecting the password and stopping a copy from being tested. There are means available to do this. If you are still on NT 4.0 - than it is time to upgrade. The success rate is 80.19% for "alpha numeric symbol 32 space" - this is EVERYthing in NTLM - not just space or extended - the table is 53% derived- but if you read further - this equates to an 80.19% crack rate. Remember there is a user at the other end - they have to remember. Please explain how a user will enter and remember a passphrase such as "S%'beep'('Smiley face'?G$" - where ' ' encloses extended chars Craig -----Original Message----- From: dave kleiman [mailto:dave@isecureu.com] Sent: Mon 19/09/2005 5:49 AM To: pen-test@securityfocus.com Cc: 'Anders Thulin'; 'bryan allott'; Craig Wright; compuwar@gmail.com; 'Peter Parker' Subject: RE: Whitespace in passwords
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