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| Subject: | Re: [Full-disclosure] How secure is software X? |
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| Date: | Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:35 +1000 |
How secure is software X?
At least as secure as Vulnerability Assessment Assurance Level P; or Q or R. Well, that's what I think we should be able to say. What we need is an open standard, that has been agreed upon by recognized experts, against which the absence of software security vulnerability can be measured - something which improves upon the failings of the Common Criteria. Let's choose web server software as an example. When looking for flaws in a new piece of web server software there are a bunch of well known checks that one would throw at it first. Try directory traversal attacks and the several variations. Try overflowing the request method, the URI, the query string, the host header field and so on. Try cross site scripting attacks in server error pages and file not found messages. As I said, there's a bunch of checks and I've mentioned but a few. If these were all written down and labelled with as a "standard" then one could say that web server software X is at least as secure as the standard - providing of course the server stands up.
For products that are based upon RFCs it would be trivial to write a simple criteria that tests every aspect of the software as per the RFCs. This would be called Vulnerability Assessment Assurance Level: Protocol. If a bit of software was accredited at VAAL:Protocol then it would given a level of assurance that it at least stood up to those attacks.
Not all products are RFC compliant however. Sticking with web servers, one bit of software might have a bespoke request method of "FOOBAR". This opens up a whole new attack surface that's not covered by the VAAL:Protocol standard. There are two aspects to this. Anyone with a firewall capable of blocking non-RFC compliant requests could configure it to do so - thus closing off the attack surface - from the outside at least. As far as the standards go however - you'd have to introduce criteria to cover that specific functionality. And what about different application environments running on top of the web server? And what about more complex products such as database servers? I suppose at a minimum for DB software you could at least have a standard that simply checks if the server falls to a long username or password buffer overflow attempt and then fuzz SQL-92 language elements. It certainly makes standardization much more difficult but I think by no means impossible.
Clearly, what is _easy_ is writing and agreeing upon a VAAL:Protocol standard for many different types of servers. You could then be assured that any server that passes is at least as secure as VAAL:Protocol and for those looking for more "comfort" then they can at least block non-RFC compliant traffic.
Having had a chat with Steve Christey about this earlier today I know there are other people thinking along the same lines and I bet there are more projects out there being worked on that are attempting to achieve the same thing. If anyone is currently working on this stuff or would like to get involved in thrashing out some ideas then please mail me - I'd love to hear from you.
why do we need this?
you're referring to what already takes place commercially.
"hi i want a security assessment".
who's going to do these assessments for free? who confirms that the people doing the assessment know what they are doing?
"Customer: I was hacked .." -> me: -> "David Litchfield told me it was secure, blame him" -> "David Litchfield: Oh no, our VAAL is just a guide." -> "Customer: So why the hell do I care about it then?"
Guides for people to use are okay (hello OWASP Guide, and others) but all your trying to start is a non-commercial free security assessment service.
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-- Michael
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