Mr. King,
On the contrary, I am not trying to besmirch Microsoft. I want people to
understand that the Microsoft SQL video is proof positive that the Web
Applications MUST provide the protection to the database and all back end
services. If your web application wasn't written to protect the back end,
then it is facilitating the attack on the back end. At which point, you
have two choices, re-write the web application or put an application
firewall in front of it.
I have made the video's and my website content available to all so that
everyone, including management and non-technical people can better
understand and appreciate these vulnerabilities, especially how easy they
are to discover and to exploit.
Yes, I was hired to do a security audit for the college, part of which
included the web server security assessment.
I performed the web assessment on day 1 of the audit, I showed the video to
the college on day two, and by lunch time we had installed the WebScurity
web application firewall and it is protecting the site to this day. They
have agreed to be a reference for both Appiant and WebScurity.
Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave King" <davefd@davewking.com>
To: <full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Application Security Hacking Videos
I'm not sure what the clips from Microsoft are trying to show. To me it
seems like they're intended to show that microsoft doesn't have a good
fix for the problem at hand. From what I gathered from the training they
were trying to show some ways to seriously lock down a SQL Server 2000,
which would help mitigate some risks, while causing some usability
problems. Microsoft has been an advocate of strong server side input
validation (ASP.Net even has some nice features to help you with this).
The video was just showing another layer in a good layered security
approach.
Lastly, I'm of the opinion that ticks should be allowed in a password. I
don't like restricting characters in a password. However best practices
should be followed. If for example, in the video the college had been
storing the password as a secure hash, then hashing the password that
was input and comparing them (preferably using a stored proc to do the
sql stuff), then the attack would have failed.
Dave King
http://www.thesecure.net
http://www.remotecheckup.com
Joel R. Helgeson wrote:
With college campuses being hacked into on a seemingly daily basis,
and student information being stolen and used for Identity Theft; I
thought you might like to see how the hacks are being done, and how
astoundingly easy they are. I have produced a video of a security
audit I performed on a local college website that shows how easy these
exploits are. There is also a brief training on the homepage that
introduces non-experts to SQL injection concepts in a fashion that
makes it easy to understand.
Below is the link to the video of me hacking into the college web site
using SQL injection:
http://www.appiant.net/exploit.wmv
Other videos related to application security can be viewed from the
home page as well: www.appiant.net <http://www.appiant.net/>
It’s not available from the web page, but if you want to see the video
of Microsoft’s response to application security by securing the database:
http://www.appiant.net/sql_security.wmv
No, that video is not a fake; the entire video can be accessed from
Microsoft’s website – the original is over an hour long, I just edited
it down to ~5 minutes so you could get the point in a shorter timeframe.
http://www.microsoft.com/emea/itsshowtime/sessionh.aspx?videoid=31
Any questions, feel free to ask…
Regards,
Joel R. Helgeson
President
Appiant, Inc.
1402 County Road C2 W
Saint Paul, MN 55113
(952) 858-9111
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