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Re: [Full-disclosure] RSA HAVE CRACKED PHISHING, NO SERIOUSLY

Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] RSA HAVE CRACKED PHISHING, NO SERIOUSLY
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:33:33 +0100
What you mean phishers don't know after every 50 attempts to login on the
same host address that you're revoked, and to write a script to ask your
100,000 botnet harvested firstly from the unpatched IE flaw a few days ago,
and then use that same 0-day to hack your bank info with via fake BBC news
articles is such a difficult thing for a "dumb phisher" to carry out. Yes!
Dude, I was on Yahoo when they first locked out brute force login attacks
back in 2001, I think i'm comfortable with the techology by now.

On 3/31/06, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:06:29 +0100, n3td3v said:

Check out this article, and I really did spill my hard earned Starbucks
right down my front when I looked at this article:

http://news.com.com/5208-1029-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=15591&messageID=131433&start=3D-1

Given that you allegedly posted that particular response, I take it you
spilled
your Starbucks in shock that somebody would claim to be you?

The original article is at
http://news.com.com/2100-1029-6056317.html?tag=tb

In any case, it's clear that the person who posted that response has *no
idea*
how most bank's anti-fraud systems work.

First off, the phishers *can't* just run through all the data they've
gotten
in just a few seconds, unless they distributed the work across a bunch of
botnet
zombies - hits for more than a few dozen different accounts from the same
IP
in the same timespan are suspicious at the very least.

Secondly, the phishers can currently usually be sure that the victims have
given them reasonably good data (unless the victim is a dweeb who can't
enter
their DoB or account number correctly).  On the other hand, if the phished
data
has been polluted by 90% bad data, then only 1 of 10 attempted
transactions
will succeed - and the fact that they're trying lots of different bad data
will
again hopefully trigger an alert.  If you only succeed every 10th time,
and you
get locked out after 3 attempts with different bad data, it's going to
take you
a lot longer to figure out which ones are good and which ones are bad....






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