First, thanks to all who post valid security information to this list, and
to those who engage in valid, on-topic discussions. I am not any where near
as intelligent as most of you, but I am learning quite a bit.
IMHO I don't think the list should be used for advertising a product.
Besides there are many freeware alternatives that offer the same
functionality and more features. Any flames will not be responded to. I
have said my piece and I am done. Back to full disclosure.
-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@lists.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Yvan Boily
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:06 PM
To: sk
Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Secure Delete for Windows
On 1/17/06, sk <sk@groundzero-security.com> wrote:
thank you for the constructive feedback. at least it was usefull and
not just some random flame. i do appriciate your comment, i dont agree
with some points though. it may be the default business strategy, but
if a single person (or a handfull) think they have to complain that i
announce a security application here, i do argue about it. then again,
i should better ignore such random bullshit as there will be always
some smart ass who thinks he has to post a negative and senseless comment.
I guess you only consider orders useful. I wonder how you respond
to complaints about bugs?
i'd appriciate it as then we can make the software more stable. thats only
good.
Considering how rabid the response to even mild criticism was, I would have
issues believing that feedback would be recieved with open arms.
Remember! Swearing at your customers shows them who's boss!
done with sarcasm ?
The entire section before the --- was sarcastic.
** this is not an endorsement or support of any community members,
but rather an observation that it is typical business practice to
treat even the most annoying potential customer with respect.
i know that those arent even potential customers so thats why. a real
customer, of course, will receive a friendly response.
GroundZero Security (email account at least) was using the same channel to
blast critics as was used to market the product. This is extremely
unprofessional.
If an organization is going to spam a mailing list, it would be wise to
treat ever member of that mailing list with respect, and certainly not tell
users to 'stfu'. That is just stupid.
Just a thought.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yvan Boily" <yboily@gmail.com>
To: "GroundZero Security" <fd@g-0.org>
Cc: <virus@nolog.org>; <full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Secure Delete for Windows
Now for the lesson on business communication:
1. Dealing with open source proponents:
also not everyone posts their source so what is your fucking problem?!
2. Elliciting positive feedback:
my god if you dont have anything usefull to say, then why dont you
stfu.
3. Commenting on community members**:
it seems suddenly after this n3td0rk shit, everyone starts his own
little flame wars over nothing
Remember! Swearing at your customers shows them who's boss!
---
I guess you only consider orders useful. I wonder how you respond
to complaints about bugs?
Just a note; if you are going to market your product to people try
to avoid making a negative impression! And certainly, reply to
people individually as you will, but if you are going to blast
someone then do it privately. I know this is not really my nature,
but then again, I am not marketing products!
** this is not an endorsement or support of any community members,
but rather an observation that it is typical business practice to
treat even the most annoying potential customer with respect.
--
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