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[Full-disclosure] Re: Hacking Boot camps!: certifications

Subject: [Full-disclosure] Re: Hacking Boot camps!: certifications
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:52:13 +0530
A certification is certainly a plus a get to the door for an interview
(since the door to the interview is usually (wo)manned by
non-tecchnical HR people) and to impress non-technical people. Anyone
touting a certification to a technical person should be shown the door
since they still don't realise how little technical expertise is
actually involved in a certification.  I am certainly not belittiling
the  efforts behind your GIAC if that's what you have, but if you
think it is really worth that much it is wrong.

Hint: Compare how much of technical advancement has happened in the
security field because of published GIAC papers compared to real
technical papers coming out of academia.



On 11/26/05, Exibar <exibar@thelair.com> wrote:


So am I any smarter for having my CISSP over a GIAC?... I dont think so..
but the employeers seem to thing so =)



Just to chime in a personal opinion....    The GIAC exams (NOT their new
Silver level, but the Gold level) is worth more to me than CISSP.  Why do
you ask.  CISSP only requires you to take an exam, pass, and you get your
cert.  The GIAC GOLD certs require you to write a paper, of varying length
per cert, and pass it and 1 or 2 exams in order to get yoru cert.
   It's one thing to be able to go to a week long class, brush up on a few
points here and there, take an exam and pass to get a cert, CISSP.
   It's another copletely different thing to be able to comprehend the
information enough to be able to write a 20 - 75 page paper on the subject,
have it read and graded by "experts" in the field, and then get the cert.
GIAC
   Even though the GIAC certs generally cover a narrow topic compared to
CISSP, you have to know your subject quite well in order to be able to pass
that cert.  Forget about the silver cert for GIAC... just another exam or
two to pass....

 IF I was interviewing someone new for a security position, I'd certainly
take this into account before hireing them.  Along with many other factors
too, of course.

 Exibar

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