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Re: [Full-disclosure] Suggestion for IDS

Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Suggestion for IDS
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:35:21 -0400
I suspect the argument here has to be cost-for-cost - in the price range for a decent beefy OpenBSD box you aren't going to be using FWSMs, and I can quite believe that the PIXen in that price range don't perform - the PIX 501 is specced at 60MB/s throughput and the cheapest retail price I can find for it is $678 for the unlimited license version - for the same money you can get a beefy PC which will push quite a bit more than 60MB/s

Okay .. I'll bite.

That 501 is also the size of two decks of cards, laid side-by-side .. and will run tirelessly without any intervention for years (it dosen't even have a fan). I've personally deployed HUNDREDS of these things and never yet seen one go bad without help from lightning. PC power supplies, on the other hand .. frequently fall victim to dustbunnies.

I can also FedEx a replacement 501 to timbuktu for no more than $30 (its like 5lbs well-packaged) .. and get it there by 8am the next day. GROUND service on a whole PC is around twice that.

FWSMs appear to retail around $23,000 - that's on top of the 6500 chassis and line cards you need to use it - not exactly a fair comparison.

Yeah, but who pays retail for Cisco gear? .. Everywhere I've worked, we've been at close to half of list -- and you get loads of Cisco people that'll happily assist with your (no matter how rediculous) config -- they even usually speak English (usually...).


For that money you could quite easily put together a farm of boxes that would exceed 5GB/s throughput aggregate - whether you'd want to is a different question.

Yeah .. you could fill a 19" rack full of servers and accomplish the same thing .. but I highly doubt you'd end up accomplishing the same reliability (and to do 5gb, you'd only really need a 6503, SUP-2, and whatever interface card you want to use -- although you could get away using the two gig ports on the sup).


As for cost .. keep in mind what type of interfaces, RAID, memory, etc you've got to have to accomplish 5gb ... you can't just slap a 5 gigE cards on your PCI bus and expect not to have interrupt and PCI bandwidth issues.

Besides .. when we're talking "enterprise-class" networking, what would you rather have? .. two racks of BSD boxes with all sorts of complicated tricks to keep them load-balanced and redundant? .. or two 6503s where you can upgrade the IOS in 5 minutes and hot-swap anything?.

~Mike.
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