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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Setiri + Invisible browsers != visible browsers

Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Setiri + Invisible browsers != visible browsers
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:41:53 +0100
Haroon Meer wrote:

Hi..

About 2 years ago, we demo'd Setiri, a win32 trojan that tunneled data off 
networks through the use of Invisible Internet Explorer instances. This 
allowed us to avoid sticky issues like authentication / etc and worked nicely 
against personal firewalls configured to allow out IE traffic.

 Despite the noise it generated back then, very little has been done to 
combat the problem. So we threw together a few lines of C# and tacked on a  
gratuitous .pdf (for good measure) for an angle we believe can go a long way 
towards mitigating the threat..

In short : an invisible browser is not the same as a visible one, and 
personal firewalls (that do outbound application control) should not treat 
them the same. Application-level access control systems should be able to 
detect whether an application is running visible or not.

The short paper : http://www.sensepost.com/garage_portal.html / 
http://www.sensepost.com/restricted/casper.pdf

The badly written C# : http://www.sensepost.com/garage_portal.html / 
http://www.sensepost.com/restricted/casper.zip

As usual, please mail questions/comments/flames to research@sensepost.com / 
haroon@sensepost.com

/MH

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Haroon Meer                                                         MH
SensePost Information Security                          +27 83786 6637
PGP : http://www.sensepost.com/pgp/haroon.txt     haroon@sensepost.com
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With all the spyware crap that is on computers that are easy targets, and some 
that aren't, why would making it invisible make a difference at all?  Hell, 
just open the window in front of the user take up the whole screen, pop-up 
about 30-50 other windows slowly and/or based on the CPU speed in another 
process and upload the data through the first one while the user is distracted 
by the others.  IE would be an easy target for this kind of distraction, 
mozilla would probably be just as easy...

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