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RE: Impact of removing administrative rights in an enterprise running XP

Subject: RE: Impact of removing administrative rights in an enterprise running XP
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:30:56 -0400
For anybody wanting to address applications and their need/lack thereof for
admin rights on machines, I highly recommend taking a look at the
Application Compatibility Toolkit. 

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/desktopdeployment/appcompat/toolkit.mspx

You can save yourself a lot of work and time with it. 

Laura 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon R. Kibler [mailto:Jon.Kibler@aset.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:09 AM
To: focus-ms@securityfocus.com
Cc: Drew Simonis
Subject: Re: Impact of removing administrative rights in an 
enterprise running XP

Drew Simonis wrote:
Hello all,
I wonder if anyone on the list who might work for a good 
sized enterprise (10,000+ seats) has gone through the 
excercise of removing administrative rights from the user community?

Aside from the effort to inventory all applications and 
ensure that they work with restricted permissions, I forsee 
that such an effort would likely require changes to the 
entire support model.  Instead of relying on users to install 
their own software, it would need to be done for them.  New 
hardware would require intevention, etc.

If someone has completed this, was support a major new 
burden, or was it not as difficult as it might be?  If it 
was, how much of a burden was it (+ desktop support 
headcount? +helpdesk calls?)?

-Ds

Drew,

Have not done it in as large of an organization as you 
indicate, but have TRIED to do it in smaller organizations -- 
and ran into MANY brick walls. It is still a 
work-in-progress! Things are better, but we're not there yet 
by any stretch at any organization that I am working with.

The primary issue is that A LOT of applications 
assume/require administrative privilege to work. In reality, 
you can probably get many/most to run with less than admin 
priv, but figuring out what is the minimum required is not an 
easy task. And don't expect the application vendor to be any 
help either!

Trying to remove local admin priv is a trial-and-error 
process. A lot of apps will work most of the time, then one 
seldom-used feature breaks it.

You would be surprised the apps that require privilege to 
run... many big name ones, such as the Intuit product line. 
There was a discussion on DShield a few months back on this 
topic, and several people named names of applications with 
privilege problems (but nothing close to scratching the surface!).

Good luck.

Oh, BTW, as you try this task, publishing a list of the 
required minimum privilege for each application would be a 
great help to everyone. I wanted to do that, but my clients 
all objected.

Jon
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Jon R. Kibler
Chief Technical Officer
Advanced Systems Engineering Technology, Inc.
Charleston, SC  USA
(843) 849-8214





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