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RE: Renaming Administrator account

Subject: RE: Renaming Administrator account
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:10:25 -0500
I was going to mention passprop, as well, but it does have some issues such
as a bit of flakiness if you use the NT4 version of it on a post-NT system,
and the Win2K version is buried in a .cab file in the reskit for Win2K.
Also, of course, passprop only allows for over-the-network Administrator
account lockout; the account can still log on locally to DCs regardless.

Of course, this all leads me to want to discuss the pros and cons of account
lockout policies themselves, but I don't have enough time right now to be
all locquacious and brilliant and starting big long philosophical
discussions. :-)

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: Dubber, Drew B [mailto:drew.dubber@eds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:07 AM
To: Derick Anderson; focus-ms@securityfocus.com
Subject: RE: Renaming Administrator account

Have a look at passprop, that allows you to make the admin 
account subject to lockout. Whether you want to or not is 
another matter...

In my opinion, I like icing on cakes! :) At the very least 
someone has to make a conscious effort to find the admin 
account first.

Kind regards
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:deppdm@ornl.gov]
Sent: 16 November 2005 03:02
To: Derick Anderson; focus-ms@securityfocus.com
Subject: RE: Renaming Administrator account

If you rename the domain administrator account, it is still 
the "administrator" account and is not subject to account 
lockout policies.
This policy utilizes the administrator well known sid to 
determine the administrator account, not the name of the 
account.  While it is security through obscurity, it will 
protect you against most worms that are in the wild that 
target the administrator account.

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Derick Anderson [mailto:danderson@vikus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:21 PM
To: focus-ms@securityfocus.com
Subject: Renaming Administrator account

A question for the list, inspired by the server hardening/break in
threads:

Is changing the Administrator account name really worthwhile 
or not? My largely unfounded, sparsely researched opinion is this:

So far I haven't read a convincing argument for changing the 
name of the administrator account, and there's one reason 
I've chosen not to - account lockout policy. Only the domain 
Administrator account is exempt from lockout unless there's a 
special dispensation for Domain/Enterprise admins I don't 
know about. So choosing another account (and thus changing 
the SID) would take away the protection(?) against a DoS 
attack on the Administrator account.

As for providing extra security, I believe it's security by obscurity.
In order to access password-based systems, you have a set of 
public knowledge (username) and private knowledge (password): 
known * unknown = unknown, or in a (non)mathematical sense 
for brute force attacks, 1 * ?
= ?. Now let's say you change the Administrator password, 
what have you gotten? Unknown * unknown = unknown, or ? * ? = 
?. You've changed the equation but not the outcome. I realize 
that changing the name prevents automated attacks but can't 
this be defeated by not allowing direct remote Administrator 
access? (no VPN account, no OWA account, servers locked up in 
a datacenter...)

Basically what I'm asking is whether changing the account 
name is a fundamental princple or just icing on the cake.

Derick Anderson



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