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RE: Using Messenger Service for 'Net Send' Functionality --- Dangerous?W

Subject: RE: Using Messenger Service for 'Net Send' Functionality --- Dangerous?Why?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:08:00 -0700
I've spoken to quite a few folks that believe allowing NetBIOS across
your firewall is perfectly reasonable for file transfer functionality.
I clearly don't agree with this proposition, but because SSH/FTPS is
"unfamiliar", it's what they wanted.

Jim Harrison
Security Business Unit (ISA SE)
"When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
--Yogi Berra 


-----Original Message-----
From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@hammerofgod.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:38 AM
To: Jesse Weigert; Nick Duda
Cc: focus-ms@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Using Messenger Service for 'Net Send' Functionality ---
Dangerous?Why?

"Net send" first tries a netbios connection to deliver the message, and
will 
then attempt delivery via UDP 135 (the endpoint mapper.)

There is no functional reason why a firewall should be allowing
netbios/f&p 
traffic or UDP135 into your network.

T

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jesse Weigert" <weigert@gravitec.com>
To: "Nick Duda" <nduda@VistaPrint.com>
Cc: <kurt.buff@gmail.com>; <michael.mailinglist@securityfocus.com>; "at"

<gmail.com@securityfocus.com>; <focus-ms@securityfocus.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Using Messenger Service for 'Net Send' Functionality ---  
Dangerous?Why?


I would like to add that there is malware which does just this.  Which
is why sometimes even blocking the service at the firewall doesn't
stop
the messenger spam.

Nick Duda wrote:
| FYI, It's very easy to write a short VB app that:
|
| A. doesn't record net sends to event viewer
| B. can spoof the sending name of the computer (NetBIOS)
|
| - Nick


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