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Re: Real world experience with HIDS

Subject: Re: Real world experience with HIDS
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:38:12 -0600
The problem with your response is it makes assumptions about my infrastructure and my needs (which I won't reveal on this list.) In the real world (at least mine), I don't get to make the decisions about "what's best" for someone else's equipment. If they want HIDS, not HIPS, then that's what I'm going to research.

Active defense is nice, but when it gets in the way of operations, decision makers won't allow it, in some case, even if it's what we would recommend.

Sometimes, as security professionals, we have to skin cats with other things than the best knives.

--On February 3, 2006 12:51:37 AM +0000 FinAckSyn <finacksyn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Paul,

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're asking the
wrong questions!  :)

1) Ease of install - can it be done through GPO?
SMS?  Login scripts?

Zero-day attack prevention is far more important than ease of use. DON'T choose a well-orchestrated/marketed product if it doesn't give you the protection you need.


2) Usefulness of the information generated - have you detected any exploits? How were you notified? Etc.,


The whole point of HIDS/HIPS should be to give you a last line of defence, once attackers/hackers/worms have got through your perimeter security. Screw detection at this point. You need active protection.

3) Centralized management - is there any?  If so,
how easy is it to use?
Configurable at the host level?  Or group of hosts
level?


There aren't any commerical HIPS/HIDS products that don't give you this.

4) Access to data - is it possible to restrict
access to the data so that
an administrator on the server would *not* be able
to see the output of the
HIDS?


Setup separate 'security administrator' accounts, that separate day to day security event logging from day to day account administration.

5) Interference with the server - does it consume
lots of memory or CPU?

Only if they're badly written.

Is it proactive or passive?


Ignore any passive products. If an attacker has got through all your other protection (firewall, AV, IPS, IDS) then a passive product is not going to help you.

6) Would you purchase again, if you had the option?

PLEASE NOTE:  Any vendor on this list who emails me
suggesting their
product will be automatically dropped from
consideration, so be forewarned.
You're welcome to respond on the list, if you like,
but don't email me or you'll be eliminated from
consideration.

I work for Cisco, Juniper, ISS, McAfee, Symantec, Trend and Check Point, and recommend them all throroughly. Does this mean you'll drop the whole marketplace from consideration now ? :)


--- Paul Schmehl <pauls@utdallas.edu> wrote:

I have some questions for real world users (not
vendors) of HIDS products.
If you are using HIDS products *and* you're happy
with the results, please
respond to the following quesitons.

1) Ease of install - can it be done through GPO?
SMS?  Login scripts?

2) Usefulness of the information generated - have
you detected any
exploits?  How were you notified?  Etc.,

3) Centralized management - is there any?  If so,
how easy is it to use?
Configurable at the host level?  Or group of hosts
level?

4) Access to data - is it possible to restrict
access to the data so that
an administrator on the server would *not* be able
to see the output of the
HIDS?

5) Interference with the server - does it consume
lots of memory or CPU?
Is it proactive or passive?

6) Would you purchase again, if you had the option?

PLEASE NOTE:  Any vendor on this list who emails me
suggesting their
product will be automatically dropped from
consideration, so be forewarned.
You're welcome to respond on the list, if you like,
but don't email me or
you'll be eliminated from consideration.

Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu)
Adjunct Information Security Officer
University of Texas at Dallas
AVIEN Founding Member
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


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Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/

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