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Re: Denial of Service: Commercial Defense products

Subject: Re: Denial of Service: Commercial Defense products
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:55:08 -0500
If you set the timeout to less than 3 seconds, the system would be blocking
everything including legitimate connection.
The solution will be to increase the cache size.

On 12/16/05, FinAckSyn <finacksyn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Avi,

The big problem I had with RadWare DefensePro (this
was about a year ago), was that I couldn't set the SYN
cache timeout to anything less than 3 seconds.  As the
cache could only hold 64,000 SYNs, any SYN Flood
larger than 64,000/3 = 21,333 SYN/s would completely
fill the cache.
This spelt disaster every time a SYN flood hit the
network, as invalid SYNs filled up the cache, leaving
no space for new, legitimate connections to be setup.
True, the SYN Flood was mitigated, but at the expense
of any new connections (existing ones were preserved),
which is generally bad if you're dealing with critical
applications and web presences.
I would love to hear from RadWare as to whether or not
this limitation has actually being fixed, and if it
has, how their new technology now fares against the
more mature mitigation products such as TopLayer and
Riverhead.

Rgds,

Matt

--- avi chesla <chess4_4@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi, You shoould also consider Rdaware's DefensePro
with their new behavioral
based DDoS protection.

Avi


From: Devdas Bhagat <devdas@dvb.homelinux.org>
Reply-To: Devdas Bhagat <devdas@dvb.homelinux.org>
To: focus-ids@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Denial of Service: Commercial Defense
products
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:59:41 +0530

On 22/11/05 16:43 +0700, Ogle wrote:
Hi,
I have an ISP customer who want to protect their
network and their
subscriber's network.
In "Internet Denial of Service: Attack and
Defense Mecahnisms" book, I
noticed 7 commercial products.
1. Mazu Enforcer by Mazu Networks
2. Peakflow by Arbor Networks
3. WS Series Apliances by Webscreen Technologies
4. Captus IPS by Captus Networks
5. MANAnet Shield by CS3
6. Cisco Traffic Anomaly Detector XT and Cisco
Guard XT
7. StealthWatch by Lancope

Since I'm new with this type of products, is
there any reference out
there to help me choose the right solution to my
customer ?
Is there any problem if I use IPS (ie:
TippingPoint, McAfee) for this
solution ?

What kind of DoS? Is this a simple packet flooding
choking the pipe? Is
this an application layer attack? Syn floods?
Physical damage to links?

Devdas Bhagat


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