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Sorry Paul. I did not mean to say ISS does not do a good job. Their R&D is
suprb and they are in the business for a long time. ISS is also one of the
leaders to push new developments. You do earn credit for that.
However (at least in my experience) when it comes to providing a dedicated MSS
service, especialy on monitoring (IDS) and incident handling/response
improvements are certainly possible. Larger service providers (and/or coming
from a large IDS product vendor background) are often not capable enough to
integrate with the business of their customer when advanced response techniques
are called for. To solve this some are offering their services through local
ICT compamnies, e.g. Counterpane is offering its services using Getronics.
However the experience of the MSS team is than largly cancelled out by the
local service delivery inexperience. Small highly dedicated MSS providers,
focussing on detecting and reaction (thus not managing large numbers of
firewalls, leave that to the IT departments) are capable of this highly
integration with the customer.
Nevertheless, the industry needs your R&D and XForce talent to keep everyone on
the edge of things!
regards,
Sky
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Subject: RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:43:33 -0500
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For example ISS is strong as a product vendor but is just moving to
the market for delivering services.
ISS has more experience in the MSS market than you give us credit for:
"Internet Security Systems (ISS) has been setting the standard for
accountability, reliability and protection in Managed Security Services
since 1995."
-- http://www.iss.net/products_services/managed_services/
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Subject: Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider
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Appears that the discussion is more about selecting a right IDS/IPS
solution rather then selecting a Managed Security Service provider,
which was the question.
When selecting a MSS provider (IDS/FW alike) of course you must be
convinced that the use the right tools/products. Some providers use
commercial ones like Netscreens, CP, ISS,...... others use there own
spin-offs or open source. More importantly is almost how they provide
there services, the SLA and operational procedure agreements, there
incident handling capability and of course the security experience they
bring to your company. For example ISS is strong as a product vendor but
is just moving to the market for delivering services. When selecting a
MSS also normal classic outsourcing aspects must be considered. Since
you are outsourcing part of your security monitoring and incident
handling process special care should be taken here. For example there
are large companies or product vendors who "also do security services",
but there are also dedicated MSS companies. Often small specialized
companies but with a large insight in the issues that really matter.
Remember, it's no t just the product that you buy, it's about the
service and quality of the monitoring and incident handling that
protects your company assets. Everyone will sooner or later get (there
own) products working, that's not the issue here. Smaller companies can
also better control who is monitoring your networks and systems. Big MSS
providers just have a pool of people monitoring, maybe even from
different SOCs. However some customers require that they must be
convinced that only a limited number of persons are involved providing
the service. My company for example only works with top-level screened
security staff. Therefore we are able to guarantee who is doing what,
when and how.=20
And what about incident handling and response? If something might happen
is your MSS there for Protect & proceed or Pursue & prosecute? Product
vendors or normal IT companies entering the MSS market often lack this
experience.=20
Global market presence is often only limited needed since MSS is only
providing a small part of the total infrastructure. Therefore small MSS
companies may just pickbag on already in place service structures. The
MSS services themselves are completely independent of location.=20
Author works at a highly specialized dedicated Forensic and MSS company
providing services to global customers and law enforcement.
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