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I was going to stay out of this rendition of this debate but...
-----Original Message-----
From: Ofer Shezaf [mailto:Ofer.Shezaf@breach.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:53 PM
To: Stefano Zanero; roberto.perdisci@gmail.com
Cc: focus-ids@lists.securityfocus.com
Subject: RE: Specification-based Anomaly Detection
Hi Thomas & Stefano,
I agree that anomaly detection is a new-comer to IDS, and in many cases
not a mature technology. But I think that due to the inherent
shortcomings of signatures, it has to be considered seriously.
What exactly is your definition of "new-comer"? Seeing as anomaly
detection
has been discussed and studied for at least 15 years as far I know...
As one of you mentioned, the main disadvantage of signatures
is zero day
attacks. As I see it, the significance of zero day attacks is way
underrated. Zero day attacks usually refer to abusing of
vulnerabilities
before a patch or a signature has been issued, but there are those
"perpetual" zero day attacks - the bugs in the software of a specific
web site.
The recent "phpInclude" worm is a very good example of exploitation of
such "perpetual" zero day attacks. The worm itself can be detected by
signatures as, being a publicly available code, it includes some
repeating patterns. On the other hand the same the same techniques can
be (and probably are) used by "none worm" crawlers or even manually to
attack specific sites, and are not be detected by signatures.
I'm not sure I follow the argument about "perpetual zero day". It sounds
like a problem of poor signature writing. Could you expand a little more
on why this is a problem for signature-based approaches as opposed to
anomaly-based approaches?
2. On the network layer, network profiling analyzes the normal behavior
of users (i.e traffic), while in the application layer we also profile
the normal behavior of the application.
Saying that, anomaly itself usually identifies that something is wrong
but not what is wrong. We use two important additional mechanisms to
derive actionable information:
What is your basis for saying that anomaly detection usually detects
that
something is wrong? I've never seen an anomaly detection system that
detects things that are "wrong", by definition they only detect that
something is _different_.
The assumption that that is always something wrong is one of the basic
problems with how people implement anomaly-based solutions in my
opinion.
toby
Toby Kohlenberg, CISSP, GCIH, GCIA
Senior Information Security Analyst
Applied Security Technology Team
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