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| Subject: | Re: On Polymorphic Evasion |
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| Date: | Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:03:17 +0200 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Phantasmal, Saturday, October 2, 2004, 2:28:01 AM, you wrote: PP> On Polymorphic Evasion PP> by Phantasmal Phantasmagoria PP> phantasmal@hush.ai PP> What is important, at least to me, is the continual flow of ideas. PP> As I see it, releasing this paper is an investment in future ideas PP> from which I myself (and perhaps others in the world) may benefit. Your approach tries to "gather" all execution paths into a big vein leading to the heart, which is not necessary. I've encountered pieces of code that disassembled successfully nearly whichever entry spot you chose, though in those examples the circumstances (register settings etc) would be life or death for each path. Note however, that these were not designed for it, and if someone spends the time to carefully design such a piece of code, it will do the trick. Safe reads/writes will be quite possible, assuming that some register is set to some valid value. And since the stack pointer is most certainly valid... Second generation of that would be a generator, that generated such code from parameters of length and optionally a random seed. Your reference to the anti-virus fight against polymorphic detection is quite apt. To my knowledge several adapted execution emulation to unravel the polymorphic 'shell' around the virus itself, to enable signature detection. This came at a tradeoff of speed, but was effective, a lesson that should be noted by IDS writers. To properly detect nop sleds, it would then have to run the code, sandboxed or emulated, and of it ended up in the same 'end' state every time (each time at a different entry point) that would be the end of the nop sled which could then be flagged correctly. Add a little fuzz to detect sleds that has intentional failures (parent post's "jump args") for escaping detection, or cases of 'partial' sleds which doesn't cover the whole 'sled space' as one knows around where it will hit (filling the rest with garbage) However, running that on each bit of data passing the interface would demand computing resources beyond most. In this respect, filtering and only scanning data "foreign" to a protocol might help. For cases with exploits through datafiles, it might be worth passing the file data of those protocols to file analyzers, which then might feed data those find foreign into such a scanner. - -- Best regards, Marius mailto:mahuja@c2i.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFBYmFDl9nYJJam7WsRAlOkAKCscVp/PPshNiHhjSZ1fkvOvAEvNACfbsjt kRAhx60G5O9nYok5xMClBZ4= =up96 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.securityfocus.com/sponsor/CoreSecurity_focus-ids_040708 to learn more. --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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