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RE: question about anomalies detection

Subject: RE: question about anomalies detection
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:24:11 -0400
Actually, this is just signature-based IDS, where you're rolling your own
sigs.  If you were to do anomaly-based IDS, you'd more likely be doing the
logical inverse of this, where you would ignore the hostile traffic you
generated and defined the rest of it as "normal," and therefore you'd define
everything else as "suspicious."  The whole appeal of anomaly-based
detection is that it can theoretically notice attacks that nobody has ever
heard of before, simply because it differs from what is "normal."  And
therefore, it doesn't matter what attacks you generate, since it learns the
definition of "normal" rather than the definition of "hostile."

-----Original Message-----
From: Raj Malhotra [mailto:ral.mal@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:13 AM
To: faisal99@inf.its-sby.edu
Cc: focus-ids@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: question about anomalies detection


Hi

1. To train the anomalies detection system, we must train the 
application with the normal profile. My question is how we get the 
normal profile, are they built by ourself or we try to get from our 
network dump data to be set as normal profile or we use the 
prebuild 
data on the net(like the data on the Lincoln Lab Data?)

You can do all the three. But i would like to do it as follows:
1) assume that traffic on my LAN is clean.
2) set-up a machine running tcpdump with "-w" option to keep logging
    what ever goes on the LAN.
3) use a linux box and run nmap with os finger printing 
option on some target machines
    on the same LAN.
4) the tcpdump will have a mixture of normal traffic and 
scans for OS finger printing

look for features that are unique to OS fingerprinting (read how nmap
works) and try to use
 k-nearest neighbour for classification.

2. Is there any paper about SPADE(Snort Plugin), I've googling for 
sometimes but never found one.

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