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Re: Firewall vs. IPS - Differences now (ISS, Intrushield 2.1?)

Subject: Re: Firewall vs. IPS - Differences now (ISS, Intrushield 2.1?)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:02:58 -0400

On Aug 18, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Joel Snyder wrote:
To get into the firewall sweepstakes, you have to start with stateful packet inspection, not the weak crap you get for free in some freeware firewalls, but something that watches sequence numbers and the *full* TCP state machine, plus options, defragmentation, all that jazz.

A genuine (non-rhetorical) question:

Why do we think this is true?

What are the security benefits of watching sequence numbers, the TCP state machines, and options? (Sidenote: someone should do a quick study to see how many "stateful firewalls" properly implement TCP PAWS --- like every modern OS TCP stack does).

(Also, do all stateful firewalls actually reassemble IP fragments? What happens when they encounter asymmetry? Is it enough just to drop fragments?)

I'm sure there are lots of good reasons for stateful tracking of sessions, but I'd like to hear them stated authoritatively.

(ObDisclaimer: I'm a full-proxy partisan).

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Thomas H. Ptacek // Product Manager, Arbor Networks
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