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RE: Firewall technology

Subject: RE: Firewall technology
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:36:27 +0100

Doesn't this comply with all your wishes?

http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/


Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards,

Robin Toornstra
Enhanced Services Engineer

Infonet Nederland BV




                                                                           
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Hi Coder!

Why not make your thesis about using open source security technologies, and
developing management devices to enable small companies to utilize open
source technologies without a full time admin?  Someone else suggested
IPTABLES, which I love.  Core Force is an open personal firewall.  SNORT is
an open IPS with lots of community support.  OpenVPN is an open SSL VPN
technology.   The open source community is chock-full of useful
technologies for security, albeit sometimes difficult for small companies
to implement.

A set of management tools that eases this implementation, or that allows
small integrators to fully manage a number of SMB clients, in my opinion,
would be a substantial contribution to the open source community.  Iâve
been thinking about getting into this market myself (from a system
engineering and support standpoint), because I agree that the SMB market
lacks the resources to implement many of these technologies.

Whatever you decide to do, let us know and share your insight!


Jason A. Barrett



From: coder [mailto:elite.coder@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:01 PM
To: firewalls@securityfocus.com
Subject: RE: Firewall technology

Ok, so there are solutions that already exist, but how good are they fore
small companies with limited financial resources?

I myself am a network admin, the company I work for has about 20 PCs and 4
servers. The company really only has just enough to pay the wages each
month so an expensive firewall system is out of the question (I assume
symantec, checkpoint and zonealarm are all very expensive), also I do a lot
of application developement for them and sometimes write my own protocol
for client-server software.

Also I am called out to build networks for other small companies with
limited financial resources. One thing I have noticed with the company I
work for and the other smaller companies is that they dont have a full time
net admin (and in some cases they dont have one at all), and as they dont
have Active Directory (the company I work for does, but  the ones I build
networks for do not) or equivelent, there is a 100% possibility of them
getting some malware on their desktops.

Im thinking for the thesis, I can say the current firewall technology is
time consuming to setup, expensive and requires a full-time network admin
to maintain the system. And I can then say that I shall develope a new
firewall system that is cheaper and does not require a full time admin to
maintain.

Does this sound reasonable?

Thanks

~Davie Elliott


-------- Original Message --------

Hello everyone,

I wanted to get the opinions of experts before I carry on with my project.
I
am curently writting  a thesis on the limitations of firewall technology,
for now it seems that firewall technology for the gateway is pretty much
covered. However, noone seems to have focused on firewall technology for
clients (on big networks), home firewalls such as ZoneAlarm are useless for
a network with many PCs because it cant be managed centrally and it asks
the
user if they want to create a new rule when somthing tries to get out.

In my thesis I was going to say that these are the problems and the
solutions was to write a firewall system that can be managed centrally (via
web interface), also for technical universities where students maybe
writting network software and using their own protocols, I was going to see
if I could create some kind of "protocol creator" for admins. Originally my
thesis was going to be about security corporation sized networks, but in my
research I have come across a few other things.

IEEE802.1x and IPSec can apparently replace client-side firewalls, I dont
really know much about those two technologies, but I am still researching.
If these two techologies are better than client-side firewalls and or cost
less, I shall focus my thesis on small company networks (who cant afford
good network technology or a full-time net admin).

My thesis was going to be centered around the fact that machines within
huge
networks get infected by malware and such, either by websites or via
removable media, I am hoping that my firewall I idea would: stop sending
keylogger and spyware details back to the "hacker" and stop viruses/worms
spreading from the infected client.

So, what client-side technologies do corporations use (if any)?
Are there any limitations for IPSec and 802.1X?
What are your opinions on what I was saying about client-side firewalls?

Thank you for your answers,

Davie Elliott.

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