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RE : Blocking IM

Subject: RE : Blocking IM
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:07:06 -0500
Yes I know...  Not enough sleep. 

I was more thinking about how to block xyz.yahoo.com but not www.yahoo.com.
You cannot block a host on the same level but yes it's easy to block a
sublevel domain or could you?  What if instead of defining in my dns a host
name xyz.yahoo.com, I create a sublevel zone name xyz.yahoo.com?  Yould it
work, blocking host by host without blocking the whole domain?

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Gregory Hicks [mailto:ghicks@cadence.com] 
Envoyé : 8 décembre, 2005 20:39
À : jay.archibald@gmail.com; David_Morales@onr.navy.mil;
firewalls@securityfocus.com; Daniel.Bourque@loto-quebec.com
Objet : RE: Blocking IM



From: Bourque Daniel <Daniel.Bourque@loto-quebec.com>
To: "'Jay Archibald'" <jay.archibald@gmail.com>, 
David_Morales@onr.navy.mil,
firewalls@securityfocus.com
Subject: RE: Blocking IM
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:50:48 -0500

OK, there is something I don't get here..
 
I have been using this technique for a longtime to block whole domain.  
How can you only block msg.yahoo.com in your inside DNS server without 
blocking all yahoo.com?

Create a zone file for the domain msg.yahoo.com and point it at your
favorite 
sink.  Put this zone on your internal bind machine (so that it doesn't leak
to 
the internet) and ...

The rest of yahoo.com will resolve normally.

________________________________

De : Jay Archibald [mailto:jay.archibald@gmail.com]
Envoyé : 7 décembre 2005 13:37
À : David_Morales@onr.navy.mil; firewalls@securityfocus.com
Objet : RE: Blocking IM


An alternative solution to using expensive IDS or Web Filtering 
products is BLACKHOLE DNS.  Easy to setup and free if you have your 
own DNS server. Here is some information for configuring blackhole 
DNS.  It was originally used to prevent malware, but it can be easily 
used to block instant messengers as well.  The idea is that your DNS 
server resolves the DNS name used for the login process.  You point 
the DNS alias to an internal IP address on your network.  If users 
can't login, they won't be using instant messengers.  It has worked 
for us.
 
http://www.bleedingsnort.com/blackhole-dns/
http://www.bleedingsnort.com/article.php?story=20050620215129947&query
=black
hole
 
Here are the DNS names we use for blocking instant messengers:
AOL
login.oscar.aol.com 
screenname.aol.com 
aimexpress.aol.com
aim.aol.com
Yahoo
msg.yahoo.com
messenger.yahoo.com
MSN
messenger.hotmail.com 
msgr.hotmail.com
webmessenger.msn.com

GOOGLE
talk.google.com
 
From: Morales, David (Seta) [mailto:David_Morales@onr.navy.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:51 PM
To: firewalls@securityfocus.com <mailto:firewalls@securityfocus.com> 
Cc: Amiryar, Edris (Seta)
Subject: Blocking IM

 

We are blocking IM at the Firewall (juniper 5200) and through 
Surf-control (Web Filtering product, but we are still able to connect 
to Yahoo IM. Has anyone been able to do this successfully? And, does 
anyone have a list of ports to block so we cannot get to this IM?

Thanks in advance,

David Morales

moraled@onr.navy.mil <mailto:moraled@onr.navy.mil>



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