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Re: Host placement and DMZ internal/external questions.

Subject: Re: Host placement and DMZ internal/external questions.
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:01:21 -0400
Thank you for the reply David.

In the example I gave if I had a antivirus gateway and the antivirus
server for delivering updates to internal clients on the same system
and placed in the DMZ would that be considered bad design / an
unnecessary risk and should be changed?



On 14/10/05, David Gillett <gillettdavid@fhda.edu> wrote:
1 if you have a host such as citrix that must have access to
the internal network does that sit on your DMZ?

 Where are the clients of the Citrix box?

 In general, DMZ systems should not be initiating connections
to the internal network.  Exceptions include VPN servers and
*possibly* a Citrix box for external clients; you might want to
put these in a separate DMZ from public-facing servers like
WWW and email.

2 antivirus mail gateway servers / Antivirus update server
does that sit on your DMZ ?

 The gateway needs to accept arbitrary connections from outside,
so it goes in a DMZ.  The update server might not, since you're
not providing this as a service to the general Internet (are you?),
but if the gateway gets its updates from there, or the vendor
pushes updates to you, then it could go in a DMZ.

3 a squid proxy that internal hosts access

 Does your firewall do stateful inspection?  If not, you may have
to leave many ports open to allow users to do non-PASV FTP.  Better
to leave these open to a proxy in the DMZ than to your internal
network....

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam T [mailto:123security@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:10 AM
To: firewalls@securityfocus.com
Subject: Host placement and DMZ internal/external questions.

I have a few questions I have about dmz internal and external
networks that I need help with.

1 if you have a host such as citrix that must have access to
the internal network does that sit on your DMZ?

2 antivirus mail gateway servers / Antivirus update server
does that sit on your DMZ ?

3 a squid proxy that internal hosts access

with the examples above do I place the hosts on the DMZ and
then modify firewall rules so that the host has the access
they need to perform as an internal network host? if so how
is that different than opening up a specific port directed to
a specific host on internal network for outside world access?

part of my confusion lies in that when I think DMZ I think
that the host should never touch the internal network and be
left out in the DMZ alone.

I hope I have stated my questions clearly thank you for your
responses.

/at




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