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HFS with EnCase

Subject: HFS with EnCase
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:18:32 +0200
Hello,

I post "message 1" and you asked me to raised the question to manufacturer.

I do so and I received "message 2" from Guidance Software, but I was not 
satisfaite with Darell's response. So I send "Message 3" a month ago ... 
without answer.

So I re-submit "message 1" to securityfocus ...


Best regards
Paul


===================message3===========================================================
Hi Darrell,

The problem is not exactly that one. We have this HFS drive and made a copy 
image with encase. During the analysis process, some files appear in the  "Lost 
Files" directory. Until now, nothing unusual. For some other reasons, we had to 
generate a running copy of  the HFS drive using the image. We run the Macintosh 
and the files that were put in the "Lost Files" directory appear as regular 
files, not deleted ones. It's important for us to know exactly why in the copy 
image the files are "deleted" and why in the running system the files are not. 
In one case we can conclude that an evidence exists to support the fact that 
the user erased the compromised files to conceal his behavior, and in the other 
case we can conclude that the suspect wasn't trying to conceal his actions, and 
for us (and the court) it has a direct impact on the next steps of the 
procedure.

Thanks,
Paul

============================message 2==================================
Paul,  Here's the rundown on how "Lost Files" operate. I'm certainly positive 
it works the same with HFS.

In the Master File Table (MFT) in NTFS, all files and folders are marked as a 
folder or file and as belonging to a parent. The files within a folder are 
that folder's children. If a user first deletes the files, then deletes the 
folder, and then creates a new folder, the originally deleted files can be 
lost. The new folder's entry in the MFT overwrites the deleted folder's entry. 
The original parent folder and its entry in the MFT are overwritten and gone. 
Its children, however, have not been overwritten and their entries are still 
in the MFT. As with NTFS, with UFS and EXT2/3 partitions, EnCase parses the 
MFT and finds those files that are still listed, but have not parent 
directory. All of these files are recovered and placed in the gray Lost Files 
folder.

=========================message 
1=====================================================

Hello,

During the reconstruction process of a HFS file system with Encase (v 3.22g) 
some directories are wrongly put in a "Lost Files" directory whereas they are 
regular files.

Is it a known problem with this version of Encase? Did I miss anything special 
to do when dealing with HFS file systems? Most important: can you provide an 
advise or a solution?

Best regards

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