Ethical Hacking Training at InfoSec Institute

Learn to find vulnerabilities before the bad guys do! Gain real world hands on hacking experience in our state of the art hacking lab. Course designed and taught by expert instructors with years of penetration testing experience. 12 student maximum in every class. Certification attempt included in every package.
Computer Forensics Training at InfoSec Institute

Gain the in-demand skills of a certified computer examiner, learn to recover trace data left behind by fraud, theft, and cybercrime perpetrators. Discover the source of computer crime and abuse at your organization so that it never happens again. All of our class sizes are guaranteed to be 12 students or less to facilitate one-on-one interaction with one of our expert instructors.




Computer Forensics Computer-Forensics
[Top] [All Lists]

mactimes - a network question

Subject: mactimes - a network question
Date: 27 Jan 2005 06:17:28 -0000
In-Reply-To: <1169300920-1100204291-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-11901-@engine67>

I've got a question related to the mactimes discussion. I have searched the web 
for an answer to this question, but I have not found anything.    

I have a set of files on a hard drive that was produced from a forensic image 
(from EnCase I believe).  

In examining these files, the Modified Time is between 2 and 4 seconds before 
the Created Time. Other files on the system appear to be normal.  By normal, I 
mean Modified Times after Creation Times or Creation Times well after Modified 
Times, which is an indication of copying from somewhere else.

Since Windows sets the Created Time when a file is copied, then these files 
would have had to been copied within 2 to 8 seconds after they were created.  
This does not seem to make any sense in terms of what the user was doing at 
that time on the system. 

Is this difference an artifact of the way EnCase creates a copy?  

The computer in which the hard drive was located was on a network.  There is 
suspicion that the files were placed on this drive by another drive on the 
network.   If another computer placed these files there, would either the 
Modified Time or Creation Time be relative to the other computer.   Or are the 
times relative to the computer on which they reside?   

Thanks.

Ken





Any number of programs that copy files will consider the new file to be 
different from the old file, and reset the creation date/time.

EnCase does that when you do a copy from a forensic image. The idea (remember, 
all software is just a bunch of ideas that passed through the heads of 
programmers) is that the forensic analyst understands the value of having a 
date/time stamp that shows the file copy action.
I've seen CD burning software, and copies from CD, produce the same end result.

Regards,

Jason Coombs
jasonc@science.org



-----------------------------------------------------------------
This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service.
For more information on this free incident handling, management 
and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>