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Re: mactimes

Subject: Re: mactimes
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:14:58 +0000 GMT
Any number of programs that copy files will consider the new file to be 
different from the old file, and reset the creation date/time.

EnCase does that when you do a copy from a forensic image. The idea (remember, 
all software is just a bunch of ideas that passed through the heads of 
programmers) is that the forensic analyst understands the value of having a 
date/time stamp that shows the file copy action. Because Last Accessed is not 
strictly true in the case in point, that is, the file's contents weren't 
'accessed' they were 'copied' or 'restored' from an image of a drive, 
presumably some programmer thought 'hey, the creation time should be updated 
here'

I've seen CD burning software, and copies from CD, produce the same end result.

Regards,

Jason Coombs
jasonc@science.org

-----Original Message-----
From: "Potter, Timothy" <Timothy.F.Potter@pjc.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:29:38 
To:forensics@securityfocus.com
Subject: mactimes

If mactimes can easily be modified by a hacker, then would I know, and how
would mactimes be utilized in court?

I have a Microsoft Excel file on a fat12 floppy disk.
Here are the mactimes:

modified: 9/28/2004 @ 9:12AM CST
accessed: 9/29/2004 @ 4:38PM CST
created: 10/1/2004 @ 1:12 AM

So, how can the created time be later than the last modified time?? This
doesn't help in establishing a clear timeline of events.. Thanks, -Tim



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