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| Subject: | RE: MD5 Collisions and Evidence Integrity |
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| Date: | Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:42:36 -0500 |
I believe the issues of collisions occurs in any type of hashing, there is no way around it, and the issue has been around for a very long time. I think the fact, like in the case of EnCase, that it outputs an acquisition hash before, a verification hash after, and it does so immediately. It would be hard to prove that that you could do that and give matching hashes with altered input. I believe in the study it was something like 2^40 computations that they were able to "create" or generate two inputs that would create the same hash. I do not think this affects the reliability of the evidence, or the way the MD5 checksum is used as in the case of EnCase. Of course EnCase and others might switch to SHA-1 or SHA-256 etc.. just to avoid the issue ever coming up. I guess if someone can produce and prove it, and get it into case law it might become an issue in court. I wonder how many hard-drive acquisitions they would have to do until they found two different inputs that create a collision, and how long that would take? (is it just me, or does saying "in the case of EnCase" sound funny?) ______________________________________ Dave Kleiman, CISSP, CISM, CIFI, MCSE www.SecurityBreachResponse.com -----Original Message----- From: Ferrill, Rob [mailto:Rob.Ferrill@healthsouth.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 14:44 To: forensics@securityfocus.com Subject: MD5 Collisions and Evidence Integrity Has anyone stopped using MD5 for hashing evidence files since the disclosure of collision issues at the Crypto 2004 conference? There was some concern raised during a discussion this morning that this may not be acceptable in court cases anymore to prove evidence integrity. Thanks, Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service. For more information on this free incident handling, management and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com
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